[04/10, 13:38] Tirath: No one ever left this earth alive!
[04/10, 13:39] Tirath: Guna's dreams of leaving this world alive.
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But then again that is a paradox, isn't it? Because as long as one is alive one is not dead. Once pronounced dead on the physical earth then where has the living life gone? So the way one can go while alive, is by Star Trekking to the other physical universes or the other dimensions or timelines, isn't it?
Vincent, Kumar boleh jadi macham ini?
[04/10, 14:09] Guna balan: No, ji.
Being alive does not equate as one has not died.
B4 going further, we need to first define the concept of:
1. What is a person...or ONE as you wrote.
2. Is the person the character we knew or used to know, is it the character that he is, today or the character he strives to be tomorrow?
3. Or is the person the memory his loved ones, family, colleagues, staffs have of him?
4. What may be a true paradox is...what a person was, is and in future will be because age changes a man as would debilitating symptoms like alzheimers, parkinsons, even simple diabetes which corrupts memory and recollections
[04/10, 14:13] Guna balan: Again, are we without our memories the same as the one with memories intact?
Can we elucidate, debate, procastinate on problems without our memory?
In that case, are we alive (as that character or strong willed individual that used to be?) or are we a shell of what used to be?
[04/10, 14:16] Guna balan: The fact is... body destruction is not just a end of life but just another iteration of what our true self is...if we manage to cross the many barriers and stumbling blocks one encounters daily to reach where we are today
[04/10, 14:18] Guna balan: So, in that respect...yes. No one ever leaves earth alive....but it also means we never die as long as memory of our name and who we were is repeated across yime and age
[04/10, 14:37] Tirath: Then as Sahd Guru explained, as long as the DNA continues to be in a living person, can a person be really dead?
Memories also live in a cell controlled by its DNA, isn't it?
[04/10, 14:39] Guna balan: Hence we have Cheng Beng, all souls day, Ancestor worship (as my household does) etc
[04/10, 14:40] Guna balan: We call it pitru dosam
[04/10, 14:40] Guna balan: Another way known as karmic resolution
[04/10, 14:50] Tirath: This is worth further investigation.
The Guru says, as you sow, so shall you reap.
One is responsible for one's own thoughts, actions, benefits and consequences.
If that is the scenario then the responsibility and accountability and balancing of these thoughts and actions is on the non-physical part (which continues to go on forwards, whether to enjoy in the paradise of heavens or burn eternally in the fires of hell or the hereafter or reincarnation ( rebirth in any dimension)) of the individual, isn't it?
[04/10, 14:55] Guna balan: Let me correct the assumption that karmic resolution is a punishment. As previously indicated it is not but a resolution of needs the soul chooses yo encounter
[04/10, 14:57] Guna balan: And the hereafter in theology is suspect as the garuda puranas do indicate a hell and its myriad punishments but earlier texts indicate a more placid view of emotional haranging as hell...meaning we create our own hell and god has no part in that ...in fact the brahman relieves us of that specific bondage
[04/10, 14:58] Guna balan: The current era calls it as manifestation...we manifest our own punishments
[04/10, 14:59] Guna balan: From the perspective of Hindu philosophy, the apparent contradiction between individual karma and ancestral karma (or Pitru Dosha) is reconciled through a more expansive understanding of karmic cause and effect. While one is ultimately responsible for their own actions and subsequent consequences, a person does not exist in a vacuum but is part of a greater karmic field that includes their family and environment.
[04/10, 15:02] Guna balan: The reconciliation of individual and ancestral karma
A matching of karma: A core principle is that a soul's individual karma from past lives influences the family and circumstances into which it is born in the current life. A soul carrying a particular karmic debt is, therefore, naturally attracted to a family lineage that has a similar or complementary ancestral karma to be resolved.
The continuation of a collective: The family is seen as a collective with a shared destiny. Just as a child inherits wealth or illness through their parents' deeds, they also inherit the family's karmic legacy, both positive and negative. A person's individual actions, in turn, contribute to this collective karmic balance, which will affect future generations.
A pre-determined duty: Astrologically, a person born with Pitru Dosha is seen as having a karmic duty entrusted to them by providence to help clear the ancestral debt. The challenges and difficulties they face are a direct result of this inherited karmic burden.
An opportunity for growth: Instead of viewing this inherited karma as unfair punishment, it is seen as an opportunity for the individual to evolve on a soul level. By consciously working to heal or resolve the ancestral patterns, an individual can break the negative cycles for themselves and future generations.
The non-physical and physical aspects
The accountability for karma involves both physical and non-physical elements, extending beyond a single lifetime.
The soul's journey: In the cycle of reincarnation, the non-physical part of the individual—the soul or jiva—carries the imprints (samskaras) of all its thoughts and actions from previous lives.
The circumstances of its next birth are determined by this accumulated karma.
The debt is settled in this life: While the karmic debt is held by the non-physical soul, its fruits (prarabdha karma) must be experienced through the physical body in the present life.
For instance, someone might face poverty in this life as a result of their own past karmic actions or the unresolved issues of their ancestors, creating a tangible reality from a spiritual debt.
The individual's role: The individual is not merely a passive recipient of their fate. The present life provides an opportunity to resolve past karma and shape future destiny.
Kalau kita kenal this fact and accept this statement itu pun kira resolution lah.
By engaging in righteous action (dharma) and spiritual practices, a person can gain positive karma and alter their future.
In this philosophical framework, the individual is not punished for an ancestor's sins in a simplistic, biblical sense, but is rather born into a situation that requires a collective karmic debt to be addressed. Kira kita mintak to go through thise emotional dramas.
The consequences of ancestral actions, therefore, become intertwined with an individual's personal journey toward liberation.
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